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Crap. What next?

Post by brent » Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:13 pm

The Good: My wife found out that she did not have cancer.

The Bad: My oldest daughter, Kate, went to the doctor for a check up and was promptly tested and admitted her to the hospital for diabetes. They say that she will need to be there for a few days to get it under control. We had no idea. This is a bummer. Remember her in your prayers.

The Ugly: Imagine if we had socialized medicine like the military has. Man, I would be down a few family members. Pray for the USA. We are on a slippery slope.
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Post by separateunion » Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:56 pm

I dunno. Socialized health care is better than none at all. I couldn't afford health care for years and still wouldn't be able to if it wasn't for the military. At least now I get a medical and dental check up every year.
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Post by separateunion » Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:34 pm

Matthew RJ wrote:Learn some history. Your daughter has a Canadian to thank for the possibility of living a normal life (with a little less sugar).
I'm not sure what that has to do with socialized health care. Brent didn't insult Canadians and a Canadian doctor coming up with insulin has nothing to do with health care.
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Post by Jonathan » Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:51 pm

Brent, that's awesome that your wife doesn't have cancer. My dad has the diabetes, and he's one of the fittest, best eaters I know. It can be daunting at first, but in time, the routine will be normal.

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Post by brent » Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:00 pm

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Matthew RJ wrote:Learn some history. Your daughter has a Canadian to thank for the possibility of living a normal life (with a little less sugar).
I'm not sure what that has to do with socialized health care. Brent didn't insult Canadians and a Canadian doctor coming up with insulin has nothing to do with health care.
No kidding. Some of you need to pull your head out and stop reading into things. If we had socialized medicine, I would not have been able to get my daughter into a doctor today at the last minute, much less into the hospital one hour later. THAT was the point. You Canadians are a bunch of whiners here.

We, the USA are heading towards socialism. Only the poor want that. Only the poor who wish to return to slavery and be subjects of the government want that. When the government pays YOU, they own you.

I am very well aware of how inefficient the US government is at EVERYTHING. I am very aware of the VA, the VA health system, and the people that are abused by the system of chaos. THIS is where we are headed.

I have a Canadian friend whose wife was paid by the Canadian giovernment to come to the US, to finish her work as a brain surgeon. They have enlightened me as to the crap and length of time it takes to get care in Canada. The system does not work. Then I look at Holland and see how their system REALLY does not work. My friend and his wife regret to return to Canada where they will have a capped income and be forced to work for the government and not their will.
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Post by microkoe » Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:46 pm

Hey Brent, my daughter was diagnosed with Juvenile diabetes when she was like 6. she is now 12. So, we have been dealing with it for going on 7 yrs soon! I noticed something not right with her, using the poddy alot and drinking lots of water etc.. these are a few signs of it. so we decided to get her checked out. and they diagnosed her then. i dont remember what her readings were as far as her blood glucose.

but they immediately admitted her to Scottish Rite childrens hospital here in Atlanta. they got her blood sugar regulated, we had to take classes and get info on how to admin shots and stuff b4 they would let us take her home. she has been dealing with it very well, administers her own shots, etc. Thank God for insurance! w/out it,, id be beggin for handouts i think. diabetes does not run on either side of our family, so i have no idea how she came down with it. I will keep your daughter in prayer. I pray for healing for both our daughters one day! if you ever have any questions about anything, feel free to email me @ [email protected] hopefully i can answer them. My wife is the main care giver,, i can always ask her as well. Praise God about your wife! dont hesitate to email....
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Post by separateunion » Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:22 am

brent wrote:If we had socialized medicine, I would not have been able to get my daughter into a doctor today at the last minute, much less into the hospital one hour later...We, the USA are heading towards socialism. Only the poor want that.
On the flip side, many people cannot afford to pay for medical insurance. What is the answer? Just let them suffer? I'm not saying socialized healthcare is the answer, but your attitude seems to be uncaring. I'm glad that you can afford health care, but many cannot.

Poor people are not the only ones who can't afford healthcare. A good chunk of the middle class can't either, especially those who are self employed. Healthcare is just too expensive.
Only the poor who wish to return to slavery and be subjects of the government want that.
I'd say that's a pretty unfair accusation.
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Post by brent » Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:10 am

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brent wrote:If we had socialized medicine, I would not have been able to get my daughter into a doctor today at the last minute, much less into the hospital one hour later...We, the USA are heading towards socialism. Only the poor want that.
On the flip side, many people cannot afford to pay for medical insurance. What is the answer? Just let them suffer? I'm not saying socialized healthcare is the answer, but your attitude seems to be uncaring. I'm glad that you can afford health care, but many cannot.

Poor people are not the only ones who can't afford healthcare. A good chunk of the middle class can't either, especially those who are self employed. Healthcare is just too expensive.
Only the poor who wish to return to slavery and be subjects of the government want that.
I'd say that's a pretty unfair accusation.
Yeah that was hard core. But it is generally true. The poor do want money taken from someone else against their will and given to them, without doing anything to earn or deserve it...GENERALLY.

Yes, there are middle class people that cannot swing insurance. But whose problem is that? Are these the same ones that got a mortgage for a house that they really cannot afford? Are they driving two cars when they can really use one? I have enough Dave Ramsey common sense to know that it is possible to live without debt, so I know people can swing insurance if they try. Of course there are people with special circumstances. I am not saying that there aren't.

We pay taxes so people can have some help if they really need it. Those programs I am for. But, I am saying that if we ALL use the coming system that the VA uses, we are screwed. I am saying fix what is broken by other means. Lets not throw out something that works for the majority with something that works for noone. It didn't work in Russia, Holland, Sweden, Some say it doesn't work for all in Canada, etc.
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Post by separateunion » Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:38 am

brent wrote:Yeah that was hard core. But it is generally true. The poor do want money taken from someone else against their will and given to them, without doing anything to earn or deserve it...GENERALLY.
I still say that's an unfair accusation. I'd really love to see the numbers that have convinced you of this. There are plenty of poor people who don't expect handouts. I know many personally, including my own family. Just because some people leech off of welfare doesn't mean that it is the general rule of thumb by any means.
Yes, there are middle class people that cannot swing insurance. But whose problem is that? Are these the same ones that got a mortgage for a house that they really cannot afford? Are they driving two cars when they can really use one? I have enough Dave Ramsey common sense to know that it is possible to live without debt, so I know people can swing insurance if they try.
So, those who made mistakes when they were younger should just suck it? Not that mistakes don't have consequences, but you still seem to have a very unwilling spirit to help those in need. Surprising considering how much you were chiding others for "expecting God's blessing while stealing music". Are you expecting God to bless you for making unfounded, blanket statements and having an attitude towards those who are in a bad position financially?
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Post by petrafreak2009 » Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:58 am

Well, I've had diabetes for about 4 years now. I was 15 when I found out. I'm a type 1. It's a very stressful disease, but with God, all the difficulties come easier. It's not fair but God has reasons for everything going on in your life, either to get your attention on him, or to show his wonder and power to the people around you. Don't lose faith, brent. Keep it strong and run hard.
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Post by brent » Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:19 am

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brent wrote:Yeah that was hard core. But it is generally true. The poor do want money taken from someone else against their will and given to them, without doing anything to earn or deserve it...GENERALLY.
I still say that's an unfair accusation. I'd really love to see the numbers that have convinced you of this. There are plenty of poor people who don't expect handouts. I know many personally, including my own family. Just because some people leech off of welfare doesn't mean that it is the general rule of thumb by any means.
Yes, there are middle class people that cannot swing insurance. But whose problem is that? Are these the same ones that got a mortgage for a house that they really cannot afford? Are they driving two cars when they can really use one? I have enough Dave Ramsey common sense to know that it is possible to live without debt, so I know people can swing insurance if they try.
So, those who made mistakes when they were younger should just suck it? Not that mistakes don't have consequences, but you still seem to have a very unwilling spirit to help those in need. Surprising considering how much you were chiding others for "expecting God's blessing while stealing music". Are you expecting God to bless you for making unfounded, blanket statements and having an attitude towards those who are in a bad position financially?
You are missin it. Look at who is running our country. They aren't running for people who love God and think for themselves. They are pandering to the hopeless who prefer slavery and handouts because they are lazy and uneducated. They prefer equal access and opportunity based on their skin color, not their abilities.

There are some people in a spot. Again, that is not who socialized medicine will help. I am in a spot. I have been in a spot. Socialized medicine and government programs will NEVER be run well. We have 200 years of history proving that government is NOT the answer to most things. WE are. When WE are free to do as we ought, then things go better for everyone.

Look, my brother is a doctor. There are so many mandated expenses that he makes less than 10 bucks an hour net. Come on. Socialism will only make that worse, which WILL effect the care provided.
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Post by Shell » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:13 pm

You've had a lot to deal with; I'm glad your wife had good news and I hope your daughter is doing better soon. Diabetes is difficult to deal with, but it can be managed.
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Post by separateunion » Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:44 pm

I'm not arguing for socialism, just pointing out that the system is broken. And while you make unnecessary cracks at the "socialistic health care the military uses", that is the only way some of us could have expensive surgeries done. I hate to know where I'd be if the military hadn't fully taken care of my rotting molars.
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Post by brent » Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:11 pm

Good God In Heaven. I am not saying that the VA shouldn't exist and that they should have care. I am saying that if you want to see what socialized health care would look like under government control, look no further. That is it. Holy cow. That's all I am saying. Vets receive some of the worst poorly managed and executed care. The majority of the facilities are sub par. I am in one weekly in Topeka, Kansas. I KNOW first hand.

BTW, I just received Greg X Volz's CDs in the mail today and I think that this is a great CD for him. I hope it does well for him.
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Post by separateunion » Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:49 am

And I'm in the military, and I don't really have any complaints about the way health care works. I've seen nothing wrong with the facilities. Maybe VA hospitals are different, but that doesn't mean that health care in the military as a whole is terrible.
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